Forest Hill Road
- Meeting -
- Thursday, June 17th, 2010 at St Francis Church -
Our Power-Point presentation 2MB (here)
the following documentation by our experts:
Rick Chellman, P.E.
Chellman 3-29-08 pdf analysis of (initial) errors in Traffic Projections. A Suggested realignment for FHR at Wimbish/Northminster.
Chellman 4-5-08 pdf further analysis of Moreland Altobelli's (1) Traffic projections, and (2) Design speeds, and (3) Safety claims and AASHTO guidance concerning road geometry.
Follow up of Traffic Projections Analysis with latest information of actual GDOT traffic counts along FHR.(here)
New and historically (facts) based traffic projections now place traffic counts well under the GDOT limits for single-lane Roundabouts.
Michael Wallwork, P.E.
in Macon in 2006.
Wallwork's letter (rtf document) to Bibb Commissioners explaining the desirablilty of using Roundabouts at various locations/intersections along Forest Hill Rd. (page 1 and page 2)
Kulash visited Forest Hill Road in the early days
Macon-Bibb Road Improvement Program.
Traffic Calming -an Overview
"Widening roads to solve traffic congestion is like loosening your belt to cure obesity,"says Walter Kulash, a traffic engineer from Orlando, Fla. -
|EA - Environmental
The EA incorrectly lists the FHR branch tributary of Savage Creek as intermittent, but it is a perennial stream
This stream is easily observed where it flows under a bridge/driveway at 744 Forest Hill Road - residence address.
Several hundred feet of this stream will be heavily impacted.
Mitigation has not been properly calculated for this constant-flowing stream.
|EA - Errors
|Accident Data -
Letter from GDOT's Harvey Keepler admitting gross errors in the EA report of Accident Data.
- Meeting Announcement -
Senator Robert Brown has been kind enough to arrange a meeting with GDOT officials this Thursday evening, June 17th at 6 pm, at St. Francis Church, 432 Forest Hill Road to hear residents and friends of FHR’s concerns about the destructive design proposed for Forest Hill Road. The meeting room is downstairs and can be accessed through the front door, or around back by following the entrance driveway. We would very much appreciate it if a few Bibb-Neighbors could attend and offer their support for a safer, more efficient, context sensitive and cheaper design.
Our citywide neighborhood battles with bad government; including bad road design, wasteful government and poor P&Z decisions are similar and they seem to be never ending. Supporting each other’s efforts to improve our city can only offer greater rewards and a better quality of life.
Please call if you would like more information. We have included a couple of links below that will offer you some background information on how hard the neighbors and friends of Forest Hill Rod have been working on this problem.
Thank you so much for your consideration.
- The Forest Hill Rd Neighborhood Mediation Team:
- Carol Lystlund <email@example.com>
730 Forest Hill Rd.
- Lindsay Holliday <firstname.lastname@example.org>
744 Forest Hill Rd.
- Susan Hanberry Martin <email@example.com>
4831 Guerry Drive
- Dan Fischer <FISCHER_DP@Mercer.edu>
489 Ashville Drive
- Alice Boyd <firstname.lastname@example.org>
540 Forest Hill Rd
Some Talking-Points (link)
Our expert engineer - Rick_Chellman_offfers some better design alternatives to Bibb County Representatives
Bibb Commissioners promise to bring Rick Chellman back to visit if the FHR project is restarted:
But they do not.... The Bibb Commissioners lied to us all about this.
Friday, Jun. 18, 2010
Residents get Forest Hill Road update
By PHILLIP RAMATI - email@example.com
Years after a controversial proposal to widen Forest Hill Road first surfaced, the issues with the project haven’t gone away.
About 40 Bibb County residents gathered Thursday evening at St. Francis Episcopal Church in north Macon for a presentation about plans to widen the road
The meeting, which included officials from the Georgia Department of Transportation, was organized by state Sen. Robert Brown, D-Macon, who said he wanted to use the session to find out more information about the project. It also was an opportunity for residents to address DOT officials directly.
”(The meeting) came at the request from a couple of people in the community,” Brown said. “Personally, I need to get better informed about it.”
Susan Hanberry Martin, one of the neighborhood’s mediators representing a group opposed to the road widening, outlined the reasons why residents are upset and against the project. Residents hired several engineers to consult on the project, organizers said.
Martin said in a presentation at the church that the widening of the road would make it less safe, not more safe. She pointed out inaccuracies in traffic count estimations made by Moreland, Altobelli & Associates Inc., the firm hired by the DOT to design the project.
Because the project has been dormant for so long, Martin and fellow mediator Lindsay Holliday noted that increased traffic counts on Forest Hill Road that were estimated by the firm have not materialized. On some parts of the road, traffic has actually decreased, Martin said.
No one from Moreland, Altobelli & Associates was present at Thursday’s meeting.
Martin said mediators representing the neighborhood want to make changes to the proposed design that would be more in tune with Macon Mayor Robert Reichert’s proposed redesign for Second Street in downtown.
“That’s a wonderful project,” she said. “We need that same kind of consideration.”
She said her mediation team proposed a compromise plan during a previous mediation process that the firm refused to consider.
The widening of Forest Hill Road has been a hot-button issue for years in north Macon.
Proponents of the project have argued that the road needs to be widened to ease traffic flow.
The project was thought to be dead for a couple of years thanks in part to the recession, which caused the DOT to scrap several proposed projects around Georgia.
But in December, Reichert and Bibb County Commission Chairman Sam Hart sent letters to the DOT expressing support for the project in its current incarnation.
DOT officials at Thursday’s meeting told residents that the road expansion would come in three phases. The first phase would expand the road to three lanes from Wimbish Road to Northside Drive. The DOT is currently acquiring rights-of-way for that process.
The second phase is a bridge culvert at Savage Creek, while the final phase calls for expanding the stretch from Wimbish Road to Vineville Avenue into four lanes.
Actual construction isn’t scheduled to begin until 2014, officials said.
Ben Buchan, a DOT engineer, listened to several of the comments and questions from people at Thursday’s meeting and answered those he could. He promised to try to find answers to other questions he couldn’t answer.
“I was aware of some of the issues (with the project), but I wasn’t aware of a lot of the issues,” he said. “I’ll certainly look at it.”
Brown also promised to pay closer attention to the project in the future.
“This was an opportunity to get better informed,” Brown said. “I will get more involved. There’s still a lot of unanswered questions.”
Information from The Telegraph’s archives was used in this report. To contact writer Phillip Ramati, call 744-4334
forabettercity wrote on 06/18/2010 07:17:36 AM:
Mayor, give the Forest Hill neighborhood the same design considertion you have presented for Second Street and everyone will be happy. You can make this happen and save a huge swath of Macon from destruction. We can't afford to lose another thriving neighborhood that contributes so much to our tax base!
weeniebug wrote on 06/18/2010 11:03:10 AM:
As much as I think that it WOULD help to widen the road, I would be happy if they would just PAVE the blasted thing so that I don't keep blowing tires and having to have my front end re-aligned...the condition of that road is ridiculous!!!!
carpepm wrote on 06/18/2010 11:11:17 AM:
dodrop: Were you at the meeting? Actually, there were over seven other neighborhood organizations at the FHR meeting in support of a safer design. Mailboxes are always at the curb. Would you rather be hit getting you mail on a 35 mph road or one where the design speed is almost fifty? Instant death on the latter. Ed Corson of the Telegraph wrote an article about how dangerous it was for him to get his mail on the five-lane (middle suicide lane) on Zebulon Road. You're way behind in your road building philosophy -come on into the 21st Century with us, or is it that you have a monetary interest in this road? The intersections need to be improved and the road needs resurfacing. Problem solved. Simple, safe, cheap, and kind to the residents and the taxpayers of this community.
kat wrote on 06/18/2010 01:25:26 PM:
Redo the traffic counts and realize that the road is a relic from when North Macon residents were willing to go to Macon Mall. Some people do go from West Macon to downtown but most traffic is going from Vineville to Tom Hill. That won't last long because the thugs are creeping into Tom Hill and a good hunk of the Vineville area is near gangland. Yes it needs fixing but how much?
Sammie13 wrote on 06/18/2010 04:48:02 PM:
Just leave this road alone. I drive it everyday, and traffic does seem to be down from years before. Also, the mall is dead, & that was the primary reason for widening it years ago! I think we need to keep some itegrity in the few neighborhoods around Macon that hasn't lost it. Re-surfacing and perhaps a turn lane at Ridge is all Forest Hill Road needs.
eleven45547 wrote on 06/18/2010 06:17:34 PM:
Yo ddubyuh, Where you stay? We will come over and six lane the road in fron of your house, for no reason. Just for PROGRESS. My seat.
Lazybones11955 wrote on 06/18/2010 10:11:27 PM:
I agree with Sammie that Forest Hill does not need the things they want to do to it. It does, however, desperately need repaving, but I think the powers that be have decided to punish the people who are opposed to it by just letting it fall into to disrepair. It certainly needed repaving much worse than Riverside did when they just repaved it. Recounting the traffic counts would most like prove that Forest Hill just doesn't sustain the amount of traffic it did, when it was last evaluated.
|A BIG Thank-you to St Francis Church for being a Good
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