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Subject: SWCC - 2923 South Lizella Road flooding

Family blames field flooding on Macon-Bibb crews

By JIM GAINES

jgaines@macon.com
June 8, 2014

Read more here: http://www.macon.com/2014/06/08/3139548/family-blames-field-flooding-on.html


A Lizella family says Macon-Bibb County engineers caused a runoff problem in their hay field and are refusing to fix it.

Engineering staff, however, say the current state of affairs only maintains the natural water flow and can’t be changed without hurting others.

“I am so disappointed in this new Macon-Bibb County consolidated government,” said Roslyn Webb, who owns the property with her husband, Gregory.

Her family has owned a hay field at 2923 South Lizella Road -- just off the unpaved Eubanks Street, which runs parallel to nearby Eisenhower Parkway -- for nearly a century, she said. For almost all that time, ditches along the property line diverted rainwater into a nearby creek, she said.

But when the bed of Eisenhower Parkway was built up, a culvert was installed too high for the drainage system, Rosalyn Webb said.

Gregory Webb said government workers, then employed by Bibb County, cut an opening in a small embankment to let the resulting runoff flow straight into their field. That keeps the field soggy, he said.

“We can’t even get in to cut hay on it,” Gregory Webb said. “This has been going on for close to two years.”

But the latest word from Macon-Bibb officials, a May 30 letter to Roslyn Webb from County Engineer David Fortson, says the status quo should stand.

“The natural path for the water is through a cross drain under Eubanks Street that drains onto your property,” Fortson wrote. “If you were to erect a berm on your property that prevented the water from draining as it now does, you cold be sued for damages by your upstream neighbor.”

Fortson was responding to an April 17 letter from the Webbs to Mayor Robert Reichert, which asked for the ditches along Eubanks Street to be dug out so the runoff would flow into the nearby creek. Roslyn Webb said Bibb County engineering staff insisted that the current flow was proper and that “water couldn’t run uphill” even if the ditches were deepened.

In his letter, Fortson said that grading the ditch lines as the Webbs ask would significantly alter the water flow, requiring workers to enlarge the pipe and lower it by nearly 6 feet, more than doubling the flow onto properties downstream.

“For all these reasons, I regret that we will be unable to do anything to alter the flow of the water from its current condition,” he wrote.

Gregory Webb said Macon-Bibb Commissioner Ed DeFore urged them to write to Reichert. Repeated phone calls to government officials drew no real response, Gregory Webb said.

“One person wants to push it off on another person,” he said.

DeFore said the Webbs are “fine people,” and he’ll work with them however he can. But he urged careful study.

“It takes a while. You don’t just go out there the next day or next week,” said DeFore, who represents the area. He praised engineering staff and the new Macon-Bibb County Commission as functioning much better than the former governments, but he said if the runoff water is flowing through public right of way, it’s the government’s responsibility to maintain the drainage system.

Now the ground stays so soggy that a friend, cleaning up fallen tree limbs with a backhoe, got stuck there recently, Roslyn Webb said.

“It took five hours with a tow truck to get the backhoe out,” she said.

Fortson told Roslyn Webb that she should have a retention pond built, an idea she dismisses, she said.

“He stated he could not allow water to hold in ditches because it would cause mosquitoes to breed,” Roslyn Webb said via email. “What does he think is happening in the hay field? Water is standing at the high point of the property.”

She had a July 17 appointment to discuss the issue with Reichert, but she received a call Thursday informing her that the meeting had been canceled. That cancellation was confirmed Friday by Macon-Bibb spokesman Chris Floore.

Roslyn Webb said mayoral staff told her they would try to reschedule the meeting, but she wasn’t given a new date.

To contact writer Jim Gaines, call 744-4489

map:
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COMMENTS:
Mike Ganas · Top Commenter · Macon, Georgia
"That was our fault. We were wrong. We will fix it."

Said no Bibb County government official ever.

Cliff N Juanita Howard · Beacon GA
About 90 percent of what is written in this article is totally false. I know this from first hand experience. Visit the site and you will see that this is the low area.....not created by anyone but God.












Doc,
I like this, you are a piece of work.
Attached:
1938 aerial photograph, ATU 21-19, U.S. Department of Agriculture,
Agricultural Adjustment Administration, photo by Clyde H. Butler,
1063 Rosalie Ave., Lakewood, Ohio
 
Macon-Bibb County Topographic Maps
Sheet F8 G8 F9 G9 & D-8 E-8 D9 E9
Alster & Associates, Washington, D.C.,
1957, 1"=400', contour interval 5'
 
Jim
 
James M. Preston
Cadastral Land Surveyor
2722 Riverview Road
Macon, GA 31204
478-477-3629
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Lizella Road flooding maps

I am going to "sit" on this draft for over the weekend-

R-
I'm glad you say the pictures help.  I have been reading topo maps for 50 years, but I still have to sit down and study each map to understand what it is telling me about the shape of the land and the water flow. It took me over an hour to draw the blue water flow lines on the map I sent you earlier, and I admit I did not draw the lines very well at that. 

I do not think you really meant to say that "Eubanks Street has always been there." Did you? 

When you study the topo maps, you will see that they [maps] tell you the general flow of the water for the past many thousands of years. For these many thousands of years, water has "always" flowed from the area of US-80 south across your field.  Eubanks street, whenever it was constructed, funnels part of that water for a short distance.  But the overall flow of water across your field from US-80 is the same according to the topo maps.  Some parts of your field receive less sheet-flow; some parts get more sheet-flow of water runoff.  But the total amount of water flowing onto you land is exactly the same as it has been for thousands of years according to the topo maps. 

All Georgia land gets baked hard as a brick some summers and other summers it gets wet and spongy as quicksand. The fellow that got his equipment stuck in your field did exactly what I and many others have done before.  However, when I stupidly drove my machine onto soggy earth and got it stuck, I did not blame anyone but myself. In my opinion, the man who got his mower stuck in your field is wholly responsible for all damages to his equipment.  He is also liable for the damages he did to your field too. 

When you put up an earthen dam at the top of your field, it caused water to back up on to your neighbors yard.  This was not very considerate towards your neighbors.  Nor was it legal.  They could sue you for damages if any occur.  I did not see any damages yet.

I would suggest you consult with a licensed landscaper before placing any more heavy equipment on your field.  
 
- draft






At 10:24 PM 7/15/2014, Rahrah35 wrote:
The pictures help.  Eubanks Street has always been there.


-----Original Message-----
From: Holliday Dental <teeth@mindspring.com>
To: Roslyn Webb <RahRah35@aol.com>; Gregory.Webb <Gregory.Webb@robins.af.mil>
Cc: Holliday Dental <teeth@mindspring.com>; Lee Martin <mermaidlover@bellsouth.net>; Fortson_David <DFortson@maconbibb.us>; Bibb SWCC Commissioner - Donald Newberry <DonaCinDairy@bellsouth.net>; Luke Crosson <lcrosson@gaswcc.org>
Sent: Sun, Jul 13, 2014 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: Lizella Road flooding maps

Roslyn,
I am not sure I understand what you are saying  about ..." topographic proves the county did not cut thru at the low point as stated".

Will you please draw arrows on the maps showing where the water is coming from now ... where it did not used to come from before?

I found a series of pictures that might hep you with the Topo maps:
https://www.google.com/search?q=terraced+rice+paddies&client=seamonkey-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=YrvCU8bAHtGHyAS86oHgBw&ved=0CCEQsAQ&biw=1082&bih=590&dpr=0.94
These terraced rice paddies show graphically what a Topo map is depicting re:
-slope of land surfaces, and they depict
-where water flows in only one direction across the Topo lines.
 
Please send me your explanation of how the water flowed into your aunt's field before Eubanks Street road-bed was built.  Maybe your husband can help to create a drawing for us?

Thank-you,
- Lindsay



At 10:55 PM 7/11/2014 -0400, Rahrah35 wrote:
Dr. Holliday,

I just got your email.  I don't check my email everyday because I am on the computer all day at work.  Thank you so much for the drawings.  I think the topographic proves the county did not cut thru at the low point as stated.  I plan on meeting with the mayor Monday, July 14th.  I hope he will direct the county to put the ditch system back in place.  I would love it if you and Lee would attend.  Also do you have any suggestion on how to approach the mayor?  I am not politically correct when I am upset.


-----Original Message-----
From: Holliday Dental <teeth@mindspring.com>
To: Holliday Dental <teeth@mindspring.com>; Lee Martin < mermaidlover@bellsouth.net>; Roslyn Webb <RahRah35@aol.com>; Gregory.Webb < Gregory.Webb@robins.af.mil>; Fortson, David <DFortson@maconbibb.us>; Bibb SWCC Commissioner - Donald Newberry < DonaCinDairy@bellsouth.net>; Luke Crosson <lcrosson@gaswcc.org>
Sent: Sun, Jun 29, 2014 10:35 am
Subject: Re: Lizella Road flooding maps

Greetings to All,

Attached are drawings showing my analysis of the situation thus far.  I've included my thoughts about possible solutions.  I might change these if any new information comes to light. 

There is some beautiful land there, and
I hope its best use will bring satisfaction to all parties.
- Lindsay



At 02:22 PM 6/14/2014, Holliday Dental wrote:
Dear Roslyn and Gregory,
 
Lee and I enjoyed meeting y'all and walking around your properties yesterday evening.  But, I did find a medium size tick on my arm later. :-) 
...
The drainage patterns there have definitely become complicated since the Eubanks Street road-bed was raised up about a foot to be an all-weather-road with drainage-ditches and culverts some decades ago.  Did we decide it was during the Eisenhower era that so much road work was done there?
...
I will try to analyze the stormwater flow changes over the years with your maps and some others later this week.

Regards,
- Lindsay
http://www.macon-bibb.com/SWC
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Telegraph article:
http://www.macon.com/2014/06/08/3139548/family-blames-field-flooding-on.html
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