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- The Macon Telegraph -
Posted on Sat, Oct. 20, 2007


 http://www.macon.com/198/story/165261.html

Political notebook: Yet another Forest Hill disagreement

Controversies and the Forest Hill Road widening project have never been far apart.

For example, during the recent debates concerning the project, the truth about who attended a special meeting of the Bibb County Commission last December and who said what while they were at that meeting has become something of a Holy Grail for the people who oppose the project.

Opponents of the plan say Bibb County's official meeting minutes were changed to obscure what really happened at the Dec. 11, 2006, meeting and to protect one commissioner's role in a vote, a claim several county officials - from Chairman Charlie Bishop on down the line - have denied.

The crux of the matter concerns who made a motion to complete the long-delayed Houston Road Project by using money allocated for other projects. Attached to that motion was a clause that pledged the commission would join the state Department of Transportation in supporting the completion of Forest Hill Road.

Originally, the minutes of that meeting indicated Commissioner Elmo Richardson (Ethics Complaint) made a motion, but those minutes were changed this past summer after local activists began attacking the legitimacy of the vote and accusing Richardson of various conflicts of interest.

Richardson contacted county staffers and informed them he didn't attend the December meeting - a claim that has since been backed up by numerous other county officials who were there. The staffers, after reviewing their notes of the meeting, changed the minutes to reflect Richardson's recollection, saying they made a mistake and that the commissioner was right about his attendance.

Skeptics, most of whom are affiliated with CAUTION Macon or other similar roads and environmental watchdog groups, immediately challenged the county to produce the audio tapes of the meeting to confirm what really happened.

The county's response: The tapes no longer exist.

Asked about the county's policies concerning the tapes, which staffers sometimes - but not always - use to record meetings, County Attorney Virgil Adams said this week that the county's policy is "not to keep them in perpetuity."

In other words, after the minutes have been written down, the tapes are usually erased and used again.

So who actually made the motion?

According to the new set of minutes, it was Commissioner Joe Allen, the man who has lately championed the opposition's stop-the-project viewpoint. "Well, if I did it, I did it," Allen said this week.












Taped Minutes are Lost in the "roaring sound" of Burning Tapes and Smoke


 
10/19/07
To: Robert Reichert, Nancy White, Rick Hutto, Lauren Benedict, Lonzy Edwards, Joe Allen, Jim Marshall, local/state/national press et al
From: Victor Jones

Everyone who thinks it's way past time for Bibb County, Georgia to quit making excuses and update their meeting recording technology raise your hand. At least two City Council Members requested
that minutes be kept at the 10/12/07 meeting. I guess Mrs Ross and Commissioner Bishop spit in the Council Members and FHR Neighbors faces, once again. The meeting lasted close to two hours.

Crusher Bishop just needs to declare that Bibb County is his personal Kingdom/Playground and shut all citzen input down. Oh, wait, he's already done that... "Watergate, Bibb County Style," Chapter Two..



Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:47:21 -0400
Dear Victor:

Steve Layson forwarded me your open records request.

I did attend the meeting on Friday, October 12th but did not take hand written notes and only relied on an old recorder that I brought with me to this office. I do not have a digital recorder that downloads.

After the meeting, I tried to listen to the tape and only had a roaring sound so unfortunately there is no audio recording of the meeting.

I have attached the notes.
Janice


NotesfrommeetingwithCitycouncilmembersandRobertReichert-doc
contents in text format:

DATE Friday, October 12, 2007
TIME 10:00 A.M.
SUBJECT Forest Hill Road

PRESENT Chairman Charles Bishop
City Councilman Rick Hutton
City Councilwoman Nancy White
Lauren Benedict
Robert Reichert
Ken Sheets, County Engineer

Ken Sheets began the meeting by reviewing the history of the Forest Hill Road Project.

Mr. Reichert thanked Mr. Sheets and the Chairman for having the meeting. He now has a better understanding of the Project. He stated he understood that the DOT has made concessions for this project and now is ready to move on it.

Janice S. "Roaring Sounds" Ross







 











Elmo's votes on self-serving projects:

Votes:
December 11, 2006
On motion of
Commissioner Richardson, seconded by Commissioner Allen and carried,
the members of the Board voted unanimously to accept the recommendation of
Commissioner Linnenkohl to complete the Houston Road Project using the funds
allocated for other projects and to support the completion of the 1-75 / 1-16 interchange
and the
Forest Hill Road Project

*Note - In August 2007 the above Bibb County Minutes were changed to delete any mention of Mr Richardson.    The current
{changed} version of the 12-11-06 minutes can be downloaded here 
http://www.co.bibb.ga.us/minutes/12112006.pdf   

Bibb County officials (below) explain why, when and how the minutes were changed for the meeting with Ga DOT on 12-11-07.

At 03:43 PM 8/20/2007, Ms Sheila Thurmond, Clerk of the Board, Bibb County Commissioners, wrote:

Dr. Holliday, sorry for the delay in getting back to you but I left the office around 10:00 this morning and hadn’t been long returned. To answer your questions regarding the details of the minutes of December 11, 2006, here is my honest account:
 
1.
       This past Friday, it was brought to my attention by Mrs. Ross, the Chairman’s Adm. Asst., that Commissioner Richardson had called to advise that he was not present at the meeting in question but that the Minutes reflected that he was. As a result, I pulled my file of handwritten notes and luckily, I still had them. In fact, my notes state verbatim: “All Commissioners except Richardson” meaning all commissioners were present at the meeting except Commissioner Richardson. I feel very strongly that my written notes are accurate; however, I guess this was one of those instances where I did not review the minutes before they were posted on our web site and as a result, this error was not caught before now. Furthermore, my written notes also reflect that “the motion was made by Commissioner Allen and seconded by Commissioner Hart and carried by a unanimous vote of all Board Members present.”
2.
       Commissioner Richardson was not present at all during the meeting of December 11, 2006.
3.
       The faxed copy of the minutes you received today were signed by me today. I simply printed them from a “minutes folder” on the computer, signed and then faxed to you.
 
After this incident, Mrs. Ross and I will make sure that our notes correlate in the future to ensure that all attendees, motions and other important facts are accurately noted before the minutes are approved/published. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.
 
Shelia Thurmond
Clerk of the Board
(478) 621-6540



 
-----Original Message-----
From: Holliday Dental [ mailto:teeth@mindspring.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:31 PM
To: Shelia Thurmond
Subject: Open Records Request - Audio file of 12-11-06 Commission Meeting
 
Open Records Request -  Audio file of 12-11-06 Commission Meeting

http://www.co.bibb.ga.us/Minutes/Minutes.asp
Shelia Thurmond
Clerk of the Board
(478) 621-6540

Dear Ms Thurmond,
Please email me the digital audio file of the 12-11-06 Bibb Commissioners meeting.   
Thank-you,
- Lindsay  





Subject: RE: Open Records Request -  Audio file of 12-11-06 Commission  Meeting
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:31:05 -0400
From: "Shelia Thurmond" <sthurmond@co.bibb.ga.us>
To: "Holliday Dental" <teeth@mindspring.com>

Dr. Holliday, please be advised that the audio tape of the December 11, 2006 meeting of the Board of Commissioners no longer exists.
 
 
Shelia Thurmond
Clerk of the Board
(478) 621-6540




-----Original Message-----
From: Holliday Dental [ mailto:teeth@mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:19 PM
To: Steve Layson
Cc: rsavage@wmaz.gannett.com; Heather; Shelia Thurmond; vadams@ajtlaw.com; Rhonda Scott; Holliday Dental; Sue; Lee; Dan; Vic; Susan Long; CLystlund@AtlanticSouthernBank.com; Nancy.White@HCAHealthcare.com; Alice and D Red Boyd; Mary Ann Richardson; Paul Fisher; Whicker, Stephen; Travis Fain; Phil Dodson; Allen Peake; Jamie G; JfsGaudet@aol.com; Ron Lemon; Walker Rivers
Subject: RE: Open Records Request - Audio file of 12-11-06 Commission Meeting
 
http://www.co.bibb.ga.us
Steve H. Layson
Chief Administrative Officer of Bibb County

Dear Mr Layson,
I understand from Ms Thurmond (below) that the  "audio tape of the December 11, 2006 meeting of the Board of Commissioners no longer exists."
 
The (disputed) specifics of that meeting resulted in $Millions of road project commitments.  The first written minutes of this meeting clearly stated that Elmo Richardson [conflicted by Stantec contracts] was directly  involved:
http://www.macon-bibb.com/ELMO

This letter is to repeat our Open Records Request for the (audio) minutes of that meeting. 
 
Please explain to us what happened to that audio.

Thank-you,
- Lindsay





At 08:50 AM 10/11/2007, Steve Layson wrote:
Mr. Holiday,
The tape does not exist.
Steve Layson
 




Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:49:55 -0400
To: "Steve Layson" <slayson@co.bibb.ga.us>
From: Holliday Dental <teeth@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Open Records Request -  Audio file of 12-11-06 Commission
  Meeting
Cc: "Holliday Dental" <teeth@mindspring.com>,<rsavage@wmaz.gannett.com>,
 "Heather" <HGraf@wmgt.com>,"Shelia Thurmond" <sthurmond@co.bibb.ga.us>,
 <vadams@ajtlaw.com>,"Rhonda Scott" <rscott@co.bibb.ga.us>,
 "Sue" <shanberry@stratford.org>,"Lee" <mermaidlover@bellsouth.net>,
 "Dan" <FISCHER_DP@Mercer.edu>,"Vic" <victor_jones_2000@hotmail.com>,
 "Susan Long" <salong946@cox.net>,<CLystlund@AtlanticSouthernBank.com>,
 <Nancy.White@HCAHealthcare.com>,
 "Alice and D Red Boyd" <dmbx1@netzero.net>,
 "Mary Ann Richardson" <mar5331@mindspring.com>,
 "Paul Fisher" <pefisher@sprynet.com>,
 "Whicker, Stephen" <swhicker@macontel.com>,
 "Travis Fain" <tfain@macontel.com>,"Phil Dodson" <pdodson@macontel.com>,
 "Allen Peake" <Rmsceo@aol.com>,"Jamie G" <jamig@macon.tv>,
 <JfsGaudet@aol.com>,"Ron Lemon" <lemondoc@bellsouth.net>,
 "Walker Rivers" <wrivers@bellsouth.net>,
 Joe Allen <Maconfirefighter@aol.com>,crichardson@macon.com


Dear Mr Layson,
I understand from Commissioner Joe Allen that the Bibb County Commission has a room full of audio tapes. 

This letter is an Open Records Request to:

1- view that room, and

2- to view the Bylaws, Policies, and/or Procedures Manual for Bibb County Commission regarding the storage and maintenance of both (a)-official written minutes and (b)-audio records of meetings.

Thank-you,
- Lindsay



Subject: Fwd: Re: Open Records Request - Audio file of 12-11-06
  Commission  Meeting


Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:13:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Open Records Request - Audio file of 12-11-06 Commission Meeting
From: "Whicker, Stephen" <swhicker@macontel.com>
To: Holliday Dental <teeth@mindspring.com>

Do you really think they keep a tape of every single meeting they have, once the meeting minutes have been typed? That would take a warehouse.

Keich
Sssshhhhh......
Don't Tell Anyone....
 



Subject: Fwd: Re: Open Records Request - Audio file of 12-11-06
  Commission  Meeting

SKW raises an interesting point - storage of audio recordings of our Bibb Com meetings.  SKW states that "it would take a warehouse" to archive their meetings.

Actually, No, it would not.

Sheila Thurmond uses a Olympus Digital Voice Recorder Series IC recorder.  The compression is 000.1MB per minute.  Thus my 4GB USB "thumbdrive" on my keychain can hold 40,000 minutes of Bibb Discussions. This equals 667 hours in my pocket keychain. 

Comparisons:
6,000 minutes = 10 hours of Bibb Meetings on any one audio CD
45 hours on a DVD.
4,000 hours on a new 400GB HardDrive inside Ms Thurmonds desktop PC.  This is 160 DAYS at 24 hours a day of Bibb Commissioners "hot-air"


 

Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:13:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Open Records Request - Audio file of 12-11-06 Commission Meeting
From: "Whicker, Stephen" <swhicker@macontel.com>  Chief Apologist for Tyrants
To: Holliday Dental <teeth@mindspring.com>

Do you really think they keep a tape of every single meeting they have, once the meeting minutes have been typed? That would take a warehouse.

Keich




Subject: RE: Open Records Request -  Audio file of 12-11-06 Commission    Meeting
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:30:25 -0400
From: "Shelia Thurmond" <sthurmond@co.bibb.ga.us>
To: "Holliday Dental" <teeth@mindspring.com>
Cc: "Virgil Adams" <vadams@ajtlaw.com>

 

Dr. Holliday, following is my response to your most recent open records request:

 

Number One – There is no such room full of tapes. Bibb County has an offsite Records Storage Center where various types of County records are kept. And there are some cassette tapes of Commission meetings stored there. For security purposes, since the Records Center was established in 1994, it has been the practice of the County not to allow public access to the Records Center due to the nature of the records being stored there.   

Number Two – County records are maintained according to the Retention Schedules for Local Government. The Schedules can be reviewed online at www.georgiaarchives.org To help navigate you to where you want to go, please do the following: Click on “Who are we” – then Click on “Records and Information Management Services” – then Click on “retention schedules” and finally, Click on “Georgia Retention Schedules for Local Government Records”.

 

 

Shelia Thurmond

Clerk of the Board

(478) 621-6540

 




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