Page for officials:
http://www.macon-bibb.com/FHR/FHR_EA_FHWA_20110228.htm
Forest Hill Road "Environmental Assessment" is Flawed: |
Macon, Ga Bibb County's - "Roads Improvement Program" |
FHR (Forest Hill Road) GDOT-projects:
STP-3213(1,3)/BRMLB-3213(5), Bibb County.
P.I.No. 350520 & 351130/351135
MAAI signs in before us (click for more signatures)
GDOT sign in desk
"Stop recordings and photos ... all attorneys out..."
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Meeting started with Mr Steve Luxenberg, AICP. Director of Program Development for FHWA (404) 562-3650 - steve.luxenberg@dot.gov, declaring himself as the facilitator and handing out an agenda of topics. He then asked for everyone to ID themselves by name and position. Around the room we went. Next, he asked for any attorneys in the room to ID themselves, because GDOT "did not prepare or plan to have any attorneys in the room" Then he asked that all recording devices be turned off. I objected to this, and I objected to government secrecy in general - Secrecy often results in poor and inaccurate intelligence. This results in stupid government actions. I videotaped the room (and the attendees) and asked for him to repeat this requirement; which he did. I put my recorder in my pocket, Ken Sheets asked that all cameras and recorders be placed outside the room; I raised his demand by asking that all cell phones (which can be used as A/V recorders) be placed outside too. About 8 people placed the cell phones on the table in a pile... still in the room... and occasionally during the 2 hour meeting, a cell phone would buzz or vibrate which shows that a number of these devices were left "on" and could have been recording the meeting. As he started into the agenda, I suggested that we 1st review the PPP the citizens brought, and then use the agenda to followup with any topics not covered in the PPP. Without any objections, I began the PPP. Susan recited an intro-overview "we want a better design", and we also praised GDOT and FHWA for the recent progressive policies on Roundabouts and other traffic calming promotions. Several officials were taking notes during the PP Presentation; so I offered that I would email this to Ms Poon-Atkins and she could make it available to the others. I also offered to send the link to my rough-notes about the EA which is posted here: http://www.macon-bibb.com/FHR/FHR_EA_FHWA_20110228.htm Tom spoke to traffic counts, projections and accident data. He passed around a few printouts of spread sheets showing GDOT data. We brought attention to the letter from _ _ _ _ which is a significant basis for our distrust of GDOT accuracy in their conclusions. Tom asked "how can FHWA look at 5-10 years of flat-traffic-volumes and yet agree to a miraculous 2% growth rate in the projections?" Luxenberg said there were a lot of parameters that FHWA looked at, and that he (not his area of expertise) personally could not quote the guidelines at this time. Logical Termini Traffic Calming in Bibb may be limited to only neighborhood roads with max of 25mph traffic - speed bumps or tables according to Ken Sheets. I am to followup with a request to view protocol and maybe to request Traffic Calming protocols for faster traffic in minor arterials, neighborhood collectors, etc... Protocols are needed for roundabouts, trees, geometry, chicanes, etc... I showed the 2002 Traffic Calming article published in the paper - http://www.macon-bibb.com/FHR/Traffic-Calming-20020114.jpg I showed where the RIP paid $80,000 for this, I pointed out where Van Etheridge was quoted in the article. Then Van spoke up to say that there is now a policy for speed bumps. I did not go into the minor detail that this policy was developed just a few years ago as a separate impetus by Macon City Council. EA misrepresents the perennial stream: I showed pictures on the PPP and additional photos of the ROW plat which shows major and incompletely mapped disturbances in ROW at 744 inside of 25 foot stream buffer: http://www.macon-bibb.com/FHR/FHR-744-ROWs.jpg http://www.macon-bibb.com/FHR/ROW-744-Buffer-Stream.GIF after we ended the meeting, one of the MAAI people said he was from California and he was impressed at how prepared we were compared to meetings he had attended out West. He gave me his card - (maybe not? I can not find it) |
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Our original concerns are posted here - http://www.macon-bibb.com/FHR/FHR_EAisFlawed.htm
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1- The Accident data is wrong: 2- the Traffic Projections are based "on faulty data. The projected traffic counts, the number of cars expected to use the road by 2024, are pure fantasy. - Telegraph Editors 11-5-07 here" http://www.macon-bibb.com/FHR/traffic.htm 3- The Needs and Purpose Statement used to justify and launch this project is no longer applicable. . . So they changed the N+P. - The newest version is here: - http://www.macon-bibb.com/FHR/FHR_NeedsPurposeTableContents.pdf - http://www.macon-bibb.com/FHR/FHR_NeedsPurpose1-10p.pdf - http://www.macon-bibb.com/FHR/FHR_NeedsPurpose11-49p.pdf 4- The Hydrology study is flawed. http://www.macon-bibb.com/FHR/TelegraphRunoffTraffic.htm This creek is incorrectly categorized as intermittent. But it is perennial. So mitigation formula is also in error. 5- A county commissioner (Elmo Richardson) who has consistently voted to pursue the project and is still drawing a salary from his company, Stantec, who designed the project has had a professional engineering complaint filed against him with the Professional Surveying and Licensing Board. http://www.macon-bibb.com/FHR/13WMAZ_Savage1.htm 6- Citizens have not seen the final plan for the road. Example: Dr Ron Lemon was twice rebuffed when requesting a copy of the plan. Finally he paid $30 for a copy which he later learned was not the "current plan"! 7- Citizens have not seen landscaping plan. What we have learned, however, is that the wrong kinds of trees and shrubs are being planted. Native trees were requested by the stakeholder's group, but the trees listed to be planted are Ginkos which are not native, may include some female trees which drop very smelly seed balls in the fall, and do not offer a "canopy" shape which was requested, and desired by the stakeholder's group. The American Beauty bushes, although native, are deciduous.
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http://www.macon-bibb.com/FHR/Roundabouts.htm
Highway Safety Organization reports that Georgia lost $7.8 Billion Dollars last year to accidents on Ga roads. - a Summary in 8 Minutes - of the entire Forest Hill Road fiasco video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9BUyWVg1xI funnier and shorter - Speeding Patrolled/ Enforced by Air: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2xnWYx8YK8&feature=player_embedded looks like FHR with 2 x 11 foot lanes http://www.macon-bibb.com/FHR/Docs/EA-350520a.pdf http://www.macon-bibb.com/FHR/Docs/EA-350520b.pdf http://www.macon-bibb.com/FHR/Docs/EA-351130a-Contrvrsi.pdf p6 of 51: lists numerous "Environmental Requirements" which are currently "incomplete" at the time including - - "Macon-Bibb are currently developing guidelines for - traffic calming - when completed, citizens will be able to request a traffic study through those guidelines" - context sensitive lighting, - lighting variances, - "A Nationwide 14 permit with the Army Corps" - 230 feet of stream impacts will need over 791 feet of mitigation credits - landscape plan p10 Easements were reduced using a canti-levered retaining wall at the Holliday House property to protect the stream, etc... p11 Social Changes - Public Controversy see attachments 1,5,7 - Public Involvement see 1,6 Other significant Changes: - Historic Sites - 4 (f) - Streams 1,3 - Air 1,4,8 - Stream Buffer Variance p12 There is no need for additional Public Involvement because one meeting was held on June 11, 2001 and there have been no additional changes to the Design or to Environmental Effects which would change or alter those conclusions. p15 History Survey Report (written in 1998) was updated because it was "over 5 Years Old"... - Holliday House added as a historic property and additional efforts to minimize impacts. p16. ROUNDABOUTS considered after Macon Council passed a Resolution on Feb 21, 2006 p17. "It was stated [by Whom?] that any redesign {Roundabouts} would threaten the (FY) 2006 ROW Funds as well as the potential 2008 Construction Funds". p18 Public involvement 2 meetings of Stakeholders are described for Landscaping and Lighting. Apr 14, 2005, and Dec 12, 2005 27. Air Quality conformity - supposed to improve due to less congestion (they do not consider Induced Traffic) p29 Interagency decided there was No Air Quality concern that could maybe trigger a "Hot-Spot" analysis. p30 Stream Buffer Variance will be required. p32 and 33 LOS "D" is acceptable to GDOT on an Urban Arterial such as is FHR in their plans. p35 Holliday House p48 Incorrectly lists as "Intermittent" Two Unnamed Streams Thus, their Worksheet to determine Mitigation on p50 is Wrong. ftp://ftp.dot.state.ga.us/DOTFTP/Anonymous-Public/Forest%20Hill%20Road/351130a2.pdf US Fish and Wildlife Interagency communications dated December 2005 No effect expected on the Wood Storks, Bald Eagles, Trilliums, etc... p6 Technical Addendum to AIR Quality Impact Assessment p7 this "project would be considered a Minor Widening which is classified as a Low Potential MSAT (Mobile Source Air Toxics) Emissions type project" [we might look into the definitions of MINOR] MSAT Discussions thru p14 p15 Public Controversy Attachments p17 City Council Resolution p19 MATS Policy minutes of Apr 5, 2006 p20: "Sam Hart and Joe Allen moved and voted to proceed with FHR as designed" p21 Attachment #6 is Transcripts of Stakeholders Meeting for Landscaping held on Apr 14th, 2005 p26 is page 8 of Transcripts - Missing pages #5, 7, 9 , 11, 13, 15, 17.. all odd page numbers thru p58 end of scan p51 ftp://ftp.dot.state.ga.us/DOTFTP/Anonymous-Public/Forest%20Hill%20Road/351130a3.pdf ...missing All odd pages of Transcript... p26 Susan asks for Van's email for people to send in comments. p27 Stakeholders adjourn at p112 of the Transcript p28 Handwritten Feedback St Francis Church - Don Thompson p30 Paul Fisher p31 Steve Skalko of FHR UMC p32 Sign In Sheets p35 Stakeholders roster p36 Lindsay Holliday p38 Susan Hanberry - email to Joe Wood no other emails are in this collection!!??? p40 Stakeholders meeting of Dec 12th, 2005 ...MISSING All Even Pages.... p52 end of scan at page 25 of the Transcripts ftp://ftp.dot.state.ga.us/DOTFTP/Anonymous-Public/Forest Hill Road/351130a4.pdf starts at page 27 of Transcript ...it is missing every Even Numbered Page... p12 of 57 is last page of Transcript. p13 Reevaluation Attachment #7 Update of Traffic Analysis p14 explanation of Why they did Not use 2030 MATS projections that showed Less Traffic on FHR in the year 2030 than the year 2004.!!! p15 Intersections Turning Numbers Drawings p19 Reeval - Public Responses to Hot Spots p22 Letter from FHWA says this project is exempt p25 Letter from Leslie Sparrow - Roundabouts p26 Barbara Altman p27 Lynne Bryan p28 Lindsay Holliday referencing webpages p29, 30 Grace Sparrow - - was later deceived about slopes of driveway reconstruction p31-36 Lee Martin with copy of Tom Scholl's letter of November 1, 2001 p37 Aaron Bowers - roundabouts p38 Vineville Neighborhood Association - Susan Long p39 Nick Pietrzak, Sr. p40 - p57 - end of scan. Harvey Keepler - standard response letters - he never addresses the benefit of roundabouts to reduce road fumes. ftp://ftp.dot.state.ga.us/DOTFTP/Anonymous-Public/Forest Hill Road/350520a.pdf Feb 8, 2008 Reevaluation of the SOUTHERN PROJECT between WIMBISH and VINEVILLE p3 Green Sheets showing complete/incomplete steps. - Incomplete steps: -- Landscaping Plans - but is does show that the County has already reviewed the plans with the Public. --- Stream Buffer Variances, Permit 14, Mitigations, etc... p6 -***---Traffic Calming can be requested??? p7 Historical Documentation is Incomplete p8 Overlook Ave and Linkous House landscaping plans are incomplete p 9 Prado p13 project description with Changes in - Public Controversy - Historic Sites - 4 (f) p16 project location maps p19 Traffic Data is explained - Why they fudged the 2030 numbers Vineville Ave will decrease from LOS-C to LOS-D under Build Conditions p20 Vineville may be widened to 5 Lanes - - NOT in any PLANS Park Street will be LOS-F under Build or Not p21 Crash and Injury rates are Higher than statewide average [again] - Need to Check on this p22 Rationale for Turn Lanes p23 Review of environmental effects p25 Map p26 Land-use Map p29 review of Roundabouts controversy p30 any ReDesign would "threaten the ROW Funding" !!! ??? p31 Public involvement in Landscaping meetings p33 - 52 Historic review shows No Effect on Prado Gates, Overlook gates and several houses. Discussion of several more houses ftp://ftp.dot.state.ga.us/DOTFTP/Anonymous-Public/Forest Hill Road/350520b.pdf Historic properties - Proposed Improvements p4 Weaver House p7 St Francis p13 Davidson House p15 Linkous House p18 Park Street p19 -Map is not scanned properly p24 Water Quality - "Minimal Effects" p29 Air Quality effects p35 Attachment #2 Correspondence p37 -49 (end of scan) MOU for 9 historic properties with FHWA ftp://ftp.dot.state.ga.us/DOTFTP/Anonymous-Public/Forest Hill Road/350520c.pdf Attachment #3 Public Involvement p2 Stebin Horne to GDOT re Council Resolution opposing design sponsored by Mike Cranford - Feb 2006 p6 MATS Policy Minutes of 4-5-06 p8-40 (end of scan) Letters to Keepler and his responses |
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